Gonz recently pointed out the lunacy of CSU re-entering the "gun free zone". Here's the antidote:
Note the reference to the Holocaust Museum. Why the Fort Hood terrorist massacre couldn't have happened in Switzerland. Not only aren't military bases "gun free zones" but the entire country isn't one. 'Nuff said.The CSU President has repealed the policy that allows students with valid concealed handgun licenses to carry their firearms on campus. At issue appears to be the fear by CSU faculty and “security experts” that there would be another Virginia Tech type massacre on campus. But what is really at stake is yet another example where unfounded fear of guns has yet again disarmed law abiding citizens and created a target rich environment for predators and others who wish only to do people harm, and will have yet another place to do it where they know they will not be stopped.
Prior to this decision, the students responded with an eight-page resolution asking school president Tony Frank to continue to allow people with concealed-weapon permits to go armed on campus. To quote an article by the Denver Post:
"Twenty-one members of the Associated Students of CSU Senate voted in favor of the eight-page resolution (in favor of allowing concealed carry); three voted against, and five members were absent or abstained.
CSU is one of a few
The mass shooting at
Source: http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_13914952
Let’s look first of all, at some examples where gun free zones have had an effect on an outcome:
Now – let’s look at where armed citizens did make a difference:
What is it that the people who want to disarm these students don't get about the fact that the Virginia Tech shootings didn't happen because students were able to lawfully carry their firearms? The shopping mall shooting didn’t happen because law abiding mall patrons were armed. The shootings happened because these were yet more cases of a gun free zone where the shooter(s) KNEW that victims would be unarmed.
Furthermore - I would like to know when has an incident happened at CSU where a student legally carrying his or her firearms created an incident, perpetrated a shooting, or even had a firearms related accident. I don't seem to recall any – could someone please enlighten the rest of us as to when this has ever happened? Looks like these folks at CSU are reacting to something that happened at a gun-free-zone school awhile ago, and the knee-jerk reaction is just now catching up with you.
When are these people going to finally realize that they can make all the laws they want, make all the anti-gun policies they want, and all they will be doing is appeasing their own ignorance and sense of “showing” the public that they are doing something. Albeit that the “something” that they are doing is empty and meaningless. A crazed gunman or other armed criminal is going to walk right through your laws and policies, and do what they darn well please. Your actions only hurt the law abiding! As the saying goes: "When seconds count, the police are only MINUTES away." By taking away these students' right to carry, you are taking away their RIGHT to self defense. Making a gun-free-zone will not stop ANYONE intent on doing harm to others.
There was enormous support from students who say they wanted to keep the right to carry their firearms. These students have been vetted and scrutinized, as evidenced by the fact that they have their permits. They submitted to the required finger-printing, training, and background checks to get those permits. I personally know two students at CSU who carry concealed firearms. They practice and train constantly, and their proficiency puts that of most police officers to shame.
To the campus police who say that they want students unarmed - I ask you - are you planning on being with every single one of them every single second to protect them now? I didn't think so! A legally armed student is one of your greatest allies if a crazed shooter comes onto your campus. They will respond way before you can even think of getting away from the donut shop or your heated office to respond to those kids in need who are being attacked. But now you have lost that valuable asset. I hope you plan on beefing up your efforts to protect these students.
To the CSU President and faculty: The entire notion of “…streets running red with blood…” because of citizens being able to carry lawfully was debunked long ago. Read your history. You just made the stupid mistake of disarming these kids. History has proven time after time that when you disarm citizens you create a target rich environment for the criminals. If you do, and a shooting or other violent crime occurs, for any killed or injured students, their blood will be on YOUR hands.
I'm going to beat the Gonz to this one for once. It'll warm his heart. As it does mine.
Read More......Self Defense in Washington D.C.:
This month, I felt compelled to talk in my gun club news letter about an aspect of gun ownership that many folks probably don’t think about or even want to talk about too much: Defensive gun ownership rights – specifically, the concept of being able to own or even carry a concealed handgun for self defense. So I thought I would re-print that article here as well.
Let me explain: Once again I find myself in Washington D.C. on business. When I have some down time, my mind wanders and I find myself comparing the culture in this part of the country to the culture we enjoy in Colorado. While here, I was often asked by friends and colleagues what I did for fun the evening before. My response was usually along the lines of walking the National Mall and looking at monuments – I love seeing our national monuments, and take the time to visit them every time I am here.
The response:
“You didn’t walk the National Mall at NIGHT, did you?!”
Well – no, but why, I am thinking, would they ask such a thing?
"Because it just isn’t safe!” was always the answer. Well – I knew that, thus my decision for not doing it.
Well – let’s talk about that for a moment. It’s not SAFE to walk the National Mall in Washington D.C.! And this sentiment in a city where the Police Chief, City Council, and Mayor have all made it clear that they do not like the idea of citizens being armed. But yet the Supreme Court has ruled (in the case of D.C. versus Warren and others) that the police do not have an obligation to protect individual citizens. My perception of how dangerous this city is can always be further perpetuated by the events of many late afternoons, when I am walking around the city, and there are police sirens whaling every so often, followed by something looking like a bomb disposal vehicle, followed by fire engines. “What the heck is going on here?” I have often thought. Why isn’t this place safe? What makes a place like this to be widely considered dangerous to walk around at night, but yet those charged with protecting it would regard armed citizens as a bad thing?
In talking with a few of the locals, I most assuredly have my impressions confirmed that Washington D.C. is just widely regarded as having a high rate of violent crime. Now this is not something new – I know that many of you have heard this all before. But what occurs to me every time I come here is that there is a very simple explanation: Citizens are not allowed to have guns for self defense, either in the open, concealed, or just locked in the trunk of their cars. Until last year, handguns where completely outlawed. But even though the Supreme Court has ruled the bearing of arms to be a right that these citizens should enjoy, the city leadership has been throwing up roadblock after roadblock towards allowing these people to arm themselves and put the violent criminals on notice that they want to defend themselves.
Washington D.C. is not unique in this. Cities like Chicago, New York, and some other large metropolitan areas also have very restrictive gun laws, and citizens are deprived of the right to carry concealed weapons or in many cases even own them. What do they also have in common? Very high rates of violent crime! The economy is certainly having an effect on the increase in violent crimes every where¸ but when criminals know that their victims cannot fight back, they are further enabled and feel emboldened to commit these crimes. And in this city in particular, it is even illegal to carry knives and pepper spray. So basically, everyone except the criminals, is rendered completely defenseless.
What does this mean to us as a gun club? We’re all voters! With some very important elections coming up in 2010 and 2012, we need to start NOW in looking for state candidates who will help protect our rights to bear arms, to ensure that Colorado will continue to enjoy the rights we have now with no further erosion of these rights, and national candidates who will take this message to Washington D.C. The current administration is moving at a furious pace to change our country – I am wondering how long it will be before our “privileges” of concealed carry disappear, and our RIGHT to keep and bear arms is taken away for good. Get involved, get the word out, and wake your fellow Americans up.
I found the message in this email that I received today (see below) particularly interesting. I am a member of the Revolutionary War Veterans Association. My wife and I will be attending an Appleseed rifle shoot in Douglas, WY in May. So I get these emails regularly. This one is for an online streaming radio show this week. Feel free to use the info below to join in.
But what I found particularly significant, is that we "rebels" - and yes, 9.12 Project members: By definition you are all rebels too - is that we, through our actions to call attention to what is going on around us, are carrying the load for a very significant part of society. Because WE are the ones who have the courage and are willing to do the work to stand up for our rights.
Fellow 9.12ers - I salute you all, because the message below is a testament to your own courage, and what all of you are doing to try to get our country back on track.
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